Podcast: The anniversary episode

Rommil 0:00
By the way, I’m, I have to admit like, I’m typically not nervous. Before these things. Maybe I’m tired, but not. Or maybe I’m distracted, but I’m not nervous per se. But this is the first time I’m like, oh god, what is she gonna ask me?

Shannon 0:17
Just cuz you’re being interviewed.

You’re listening to Experiment Nation, the podcast with this guy.

Rommil 0:25
Hi. This is Rommil. Along with Shannon, we interview experimenters from around the world. We share their stories, their lessons and advice with you, our listeners.

Unknown Speaker 0:34
You’re listening to Experiment Nation,

Unknown Speaker 0:36
the podcast you’re listening to Experiment Nation, the podcast

Unknown Speaker 0:42
all over the place man in the news. It’s time for the lightning round.

Unknown Speaker 0:46
Why am I recording this for you? What’s up? For me?

Unknown Speaker 0:50
figured that out in both I guess.

Unknown Speaker 0:52
You’re listening to Experiment Nation, the podcast with Roland Shannon.

Rommil 0:59
Welcome to Experiment Nation, the podcast. Today’s episode was brought to you by our good friends at v. w. o. So about one year today, I started Experiment Nation. And it floors me how far it’s come. Almost 100 interviews and a new podcast later and we’re still around. I can hardly believe it. I I think that speaks to how amazing the experimentation community is. You are all such interesting people with great advice and amazing stories to share. And I wanted to say thank you, thank you to all of you who have supported Experiment Nation so far, even if you’re new to us. Thank you. Thank you. Next year, I’d love to take Experiment Nation to new places and explore new forms of content. So with that in mind, we’ll be bringing on Shannon, who you’ll hear from shortly on a more permanent basis as my main co host starting in the new year, Shannon and I go back away a bit. When we work together to startup, I think she’s great. And she’s definitely funnier than I am. With that said, We’re both located in Canada. And the two of us can’t cover the entire world alone. So we’re looking to bring on additional interviewers and co hosts from around the world of course. So if you’re interested, check out our LinkedIn page for more info. So coming back to this anniversary episode, I wanted to change it up. I was thinking, let’s have Shannon interview me for a change. And to be honest, we didn’t talk too much about experimentation. But we thought it was a fun idea to do. It lets you get to know me better it gets it lets you learn about Shannon. I didn’t really edit anything. And I might regret that. But you know, we thought it was worth an experiment. So after listening to this, if you feel we’ve earned it, kindly subscribe to this podcast and check us out at Experiment Nation calm. With all that said thank you again. And we hope you enjoy the interview. Thanks. Usually I can you know just have a just listen.

Shannon 3:14
In job interviews though.

Rommil 3:16
Well, I mean, there’s I feel there’s a normal level of nervousness for a job interested you trying to impress. But strangely, I’m not that nervous after like 15 seconds or so. I don’t know if that that speaks to my ability or the fact I’ve had so many jobs that I’ve had to do it.

Shannon 3:39
Yeah, I’ve never really like I get the people are nervous in job interviews. I’m like, all the questions are about me. I know those. I know me. I may not be the ones that they want to hear. But

Rommil 3:53
it’s like the best quiz.

Shannon 3:54
Yeah, like I’ve, I’ve studied for this for like 34 years.

Rommil 3:58
How tall are you?

Shannon 4:01
I know that one.

Rommil 4:03
Is it multiple choice. All right. Um, now whenever whenever you’re ready, I have no way to intro this all I could do that in post, unless you want to do this. Some sort of intro but maybe that

Shannon 4:16
would be a great name for another podcast. It’s just we’ll fix it in post.

Rommil 4:21
I actually I said that somewhere in one of my interviews. I’m writing

Unknown Speaker 4:27
content like this. This has to be new, fresh, snappy.

Rommil 4:32
I actually, I don’t know Fie. Um, I started a YouTube channel. Maybe a couple weeks ago, or more, I can’t remember. And it is literally because out of boredom. I was messing around with it. I used to help my cousin or I still while before COVID used to help him with his channel as the camera person and editing and all that. And I wanted to mess around with YouTube. And literally I couldn’t think of anything. So I was brainstorming with my wife and kids and The channel is now called good enough because literally, it is the roughest cuts. Like good enough and good enough the sound good enough. And then we watched it as a good as long as it goes that passes the good enough bar. It gets published.

Unknown Speaker 5:16
I love it. That is that is fantastic.

Rommil 5:21
But you’re not good enough doesn’t get views. So

there’s a flaw

Unknown Speaker 5:26
I want to see real they want to see you know what’s behind the curtain the man behind the curtain today or all that man behind the curtain is you.

Rommil 5:35
Oh, great.

Shannon 5:36
How’s that for an intro?

Rommil 5:39
Very natural. that’s a that’s a how we normally talk I think.

Unknown Speaker 5:42
Yeah, exactly. So for this interview, I have spent, you know, hours upon hours of racking my baby to sleep thinking of these questions. Wow. And I want to start out by saying that I’m going to skip all the basic questions. Okay. With a stolen Wi Fi password, they can check your LinkedIn job history. And we’re still starting out. So if they are listening to this podcast, then there’s a very good chance that they know you already. Or they’re my mom.

Rommil 6:15
My mom has absolutely no idea about this podcast. Well, how

Unknown Speaker 6:20
are you gonna get people to watch it? You need need the mom word of mouth. She’s so proud of you.

Rommil 6:25
She still thinks I’m like she she thinks I’m in sales. I’ve never had a sales job. But it’s like literally the easiest thing for her to understand and tell her friends. It’s like I help things get sold.

Unknown Speaker 6:40
My mom still sends me job listings for public relations. I have not worked in PR for about 10 years.

Rommil 6:48
So you’re just waiting for that right opportunity?

Shannon 6:50
Yeah, I just dive right back in and she always sends job postings for myself and for Liam for my husband, for her town. Know, for Lindsay, Ontario. And she’s like, I’m just I just thought, you know, you guys might be interested in moving back. Yeah. Just she’s always keeping that door open. You know, it’s that’s

so sweet. And yet so fruitless.

Rommil 7:15
Sounds like my career.

Maybe I’ll edit that out.

Shannon 7:21
No, you gotta leave, you gotta leave it in. It’s good enough. Um, so before we begin, I want to remind our listener, that I am 87% new to the field of experimentation.

Experiment Nation 7:32
So I’m very precise.

Unknown Speaker 7:34
Yeah, it’s it’s math. I use some AV tests in copywriting when I can. But overall, I am learning all of this as well. So I’m not still entirely positive. I even know what experimentation is, as will be very evidenced by my vague and slightly unrelated questions.

Unknown Speaker 7:50
Let’s begin. I can hardly spell it. So I feel free.

Unknown Speaker 7:54
Yeah, you should have chosen something a little easier here. So we’re going to start off with a hardball Did you or did you experiment with illegal substances in high school? And I’ve limitations is probably passed already? Because we are not

Shannon 8:11
young?

Rommil 8:11
What? I’m very young. I don’t know. I can’t speak about you. I’m good. So I’m thinking about your question. I’m thinking repercussions here. I think I just answered your question.

Shannon 8:24
You’ve already admitted that your mom has not

does not listen. So.

Rommil 8:29
She has strong she had strong suspicions. As I was growing up, I used to come come home. From being out. That was obvious. And she she looked at me and say, I’m not stupid. I just be safe. Okay. And I’m like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. And, yeah, that’s how I answer that question.

Unknown Speaker 8:51
See, now as a parent, like you and I, we have to make those choices for our kids have.

Rommil 8:56
So

Unknown Speaker 8:57
yeah, me with them. And it’s, it’s, I mean, my oldest is only two. So I do not. He’s not hopefully, you know, smoking marijuana at preschool. But

Rommil 9:08
you never know. We we try to, you know, give them a sense of what’s right, what’s wrong, what’s dangerous, what’s not dangerous. Give them an opportunity to always be open to talking to us about questions that they have. And at the same time, I’m kind of like, at least have the decency to hide it from me. I feel that’s contradictory, because that’s very contradictory. I realized, but at the same time, I don’t want my little, little kid growing up. But that’s like

Unknown Speaker 9:40
we always said that because I used to work in beer. And Liam and I are both

Rommil 9:44
in beer like, very, very into beer.

Unknown Speaker 9:46
We always said that Holden, would grow up to when he’s like, angry at us and when he was rebelling, he would just do it by drinking like Natty light or something. Like we tried to teach She’s so much about the difference between a New England eye and a West Coast IPA and he’d be like, No, Mom, I’m drinking. You know? This 6% ice beer from Molson.

Rommil 10:15
Oh knock against Molson interesting?

Unknown Speaker 10:18
Well, if they want to fix that, they can throw us some dollars, we just, I will edit it out to their to their competitor, no problem.

Rommil 10:26
I want to hear that, that edit. And just sort of Budweiser. And watch,

Unknown Speaker 10:32
I’ll just pick one of the multiple brands that they own instead. Well, I

Rommil 10:37
don’t know much about beers. To be honest, I can probably pick your brain about that.

Unknown Speaker 10:42
Well, we’ll save it for our next podcast one, this one, when we get bored. Okay. All right. Question two. So this is this is kind of like the if you could work anywhere, where would it be? Question? All right. What field or sector? Would you love to see integrate experiments that, like, really doesn’t use this, this field of thinking, so basically, anything non tech?

Rommil 11:04
Um, so, um, my knee? So I didn’t give this much thought, obviously, because I just heard the question, but my knee jerk reaction without thinking without logic of stand up comedy. Oh, I’d love I like the idea of someone going up there and trying one, one punch line or something. And then trying a second punch line somewhere else and figuring out if it was better. And I know that’s like, very difficult, but I like the idea.

Shannon 11:33
But they do this.

They do this. Also, I

Unknown Speaker 11:38
love stand up comedy. I’ve done some classes. It’s a big interest of mine. So I love that you picked it. And at comedy cellar in New York. I’ve seen the same comedian about three times he he frequently does sets there and he’ll do the same bit. And they will be slightly different. And maybe a an easier example is just for laughs festival, obviously pre COVID Liam and I got tickets to a bunch of different shows. And we saw Mike Birbiglia love, he’s great. And we saw his whole show. And it will it was very strongly about parenting, which we love, which was also very cool. And then he released a Netflix special, he’s going to kill me because I can’t remember the name of it. And it’s something really obvious like this is the name of the special it’s. But it was the same long hour long set that we saw. And we were remembering how some of the jokes would be slightly different, or he would put them in at a different time. And so he obviously like went around to different theaters and was like, okay, they weren’t really reacting to this one. So I’ve got to tweak this job, make this punch line stronger. And it was really cool to see that.

Shannon 12:52
The results of that. Hmm.

Okay, so then I don’t have a better answer than that though.

Unknown Speaker 12:58
I look, I’m with you. I don’t know how you would he know. We’re maybe people just not laughing as loudly but they thought it was funnier. Like it would be hard to quantify it. Hmm, scientifically, but it’s,

Rommil 13:13
I see a business idea here. I think there’s we found a niche.

Shannon 13:19
It we got to create some kind of program for them.

Rommil 13:22
A little bit of a Exactly.

Shannon 13:24
Awesome meter from like seat by the bell

Rommil 13:26
or an app or something. Everything. Everything cools. Like isn’t an app though.

Unknown Speaker 13:31
That they will send the word out. Yeah. Okay. Does being into experimentation mean that you’re really good at escape rooms?

Rommil 13:40
I’m actually very terrible as an escape rooms. Actually. I was on during my time at. Geez, what startup was it? At 500 pX? We did a we did a bit of an escape room with my team there. And it was I think I probably was the most useless person in the room. The only thing I was good at is reaching high things and like, reading things out as someone who’s trying to unlock a door or whatever. I don’t know what it is about escape rooms. I can’t I kinda can make connections but somehow the pressure of of trying to get out of that room in a certain amount of time. I think my brain just shuts down or or, or maybe I’m not interested. I can’t tell the difference. No, but I I don’t hate them. But I just like I think it’s because I’m challenged in the sense that I can’t tell what is part within the game rules. So can I break this or not? Can I move this or not? Because there’s definitely like signs in a room Do not open Do not force this door open. Do not touch this electrical outlet. It is not it is exactly exactly this is not part of the game. And and that kind of takes me out of the hole. I would call it the situation I guess and it feels fake. Again, I don’t know how your suspension

Shannon 15:02
of disbelief that’s, that’s electrical outlets. Exactly, exactly. So

Rommil 15:07
I was pulling on something and then there was this voice over the speaker that is not part of the game. That they’re tricky though you have to make your mind work in a totally different way. Because no one would no one would ever create a room like this. So it’s a little. And I find some of the connections a little weird, like, oh, there’s a seven in that room and a seven in this room. So that’s obviously answer. I don’t know. yet. There’s

Unknown Speaker 15:33
all those plants, right that, you know, what does this mean something more than it is. It’s, it’s interesting to me that people who are good at that. So from our ritual days, not green, I once did an escape room with him when I was at moosehead, where he was interning years ago. And he was a new intern, very quiet guy hadn’t really said much. And then we all went into this escape room. And there were a lot of very dominant personalities on this team, oh, elf included. And we’re all kind of shutting directions and trying to leave things which doesn’t work in an escape room, you need listeners and followers, you need like a mix, right? That was just off in this corner, doing his own thing. And all of a sudden, he had pulled all of the shells of the bookcase out. And if you turn them over on that very flat part at the back, and line them up, they spell the word. And he was like, Hey,

Shannon 16:25
guys, is this anything?

looking at him like?

Rommil 16:33
It’s interesting. You brought like strong personalities up. Because I’m always torn between like, corporate advice, where everyone can be a leader, everyone. Everyone can lead their own area, and we want leaders. But then in situations like that were like, Well, some people need to shut up.

Unknown Speaker 16:52
Yeah, it doesn’t, it doesn’t work. You need people who are just very content and do their best work, following directions, or just like they’re just really diligent, and they’re not always thinking of, like, it’s great to think of how can we improve this? How can I always make this better, but if you do that, you will never actually get the work done.

Rommil 17:13
So that’s, that’s probably not what you’re supposed to say at an interview. Just

Shannon 17:20
this is this is a job interview.

Rommil 17:21
I promise that I will not think too big. And I will just stay in my box promise you’re hired.

Unknown Speaker 17:30
I think that’s one of those kind of weaknesses. Question of, you know, sometimes like knowing being able to tell the difference between when a project can be innovated on and improved, and when something has to get done.

Rommil 17:46
Right, right, right.

Unknown Speaker 17:47
Yeah. Or at least the time going to spin it. Question four. Do you wear a lab coat while you work? And if not, would you like to?

Rommil 17:58
What I like to absolutely do I know. Now I’m considering that we should we should get some lab coats, lab coats, because I think that’d be hilarious. Maybe Bill Nye the Science Guy will will sue us or something. But

Unknown Speaker 18:16
this is where my mind. I’m like experiments science scientists lab.

Rommil 18:22
Well, if you look at every single science show, like if you’re old like me, like there’s beakman Bill Nye. And there’s folks on like, TV now from TV. Oh, they’re all wearing lab coats when they’re doing experiments and they really don’t need them.

Shannon 18:39
Well, they don’t want to get your clothes messy. Plus, they have lab coats have a lot of pockets.

Unknown Speaker 18:43
Oh, that’s true. I always mess. I like them for snacks.

Shannon 18:47
Yeah, exactly.

Rommil 18:48
And I’m not a Snickers moment.

Shannon 18:51
Did you just then wrap a Snickers? Is that what I heard?

Rommil 18:55
That was my mic.

Shannon 18:56
Suuuure.

Rommil 18:59
As I rummage through all our noses. Yep.

Good boy.

Unknown Speaker 19:08
Yeah, we’re getting sponsored by Snickers now. Actually, this Okay, this next question kind of relates back to back to when we were talking about experimenting with illegal substances. You experiment on your kids or use it as a parenting technique.

Rommil 19:22
Oh, that’s genius.

I won before I became a parent. I was 100% convinced I would do that. But then steep sleep deprivation changes plans a lot. And I kind of forgot about it. But now that I have a little bit more sleep I I will revisit this and basically a B test my kids I’m gonna have to randomly pick one of them to you know, control Exactly. I need one of them as a control. So this is being recorded. I’m not gonna go certain areas so but yeah,

Shannon 20:00
You’re gonna go back and do some work.

Rommil 20:02
There might be some bleeping Yeah, I’m gonna

this corporal punishments

Shannon 20:09
how much is too much?

Rommil 20:12
Where’s the line?

Is this too much googling,

Unknown Speaker 20:16
training our youngest right now. And the biggest thing that I’ve taken away from research is that like you have to be consistent, you have to try something for at least three days and stick with it failed, you do the exact opposite of this naps a day and sleeps at night. And we’re like, we try something once and like it didn’t work. It didn’t work. That’s it, we’ve got to change it entirely. And we did not give her enough time to just

Rommil 20:44
fine. Watch, watch your children be very adaptable and flexible and and this will be the new thing. You could write a book after this. You could write a book about

Unknown Speaker 20:54
flexible and adaptable. Judging from the call. I got today’s go for daycare. That is not the

Rommil 21:00
not the word child is not an angel. Oh,

Unknown Speaker 21:05
I just it’s so hard on the Can you guys just tell me one good thing, but that might be a little child.

Rommil 21:12
I think every every parent goes through that, like they dread that phone call from daycare or whatever. And for some reason, I at least Canadian parents that I know are like Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. But it’s like it’s a kid. It’s their job.

Unknown Speaker 21:28
To Jeez, two years old. Exactly. He hits and pinches. And then he makes you laugh. But it’s fun to hug. Like that’s

Rommil 21:38
that’s a two year old the pinching thing that I hear that’s definitely from parents. But

Shannon 21:44
yeah, it’s

no comment.

Rommil 21:49
Cmere you litte.

Unknown Speaker 21:52
Yeah. And we are trying to like, teach him about these things. And when it’s okay, but there’s so many big conversations you have to have with your kid now. Oh, yeah. And we are trying to, you know, have these important conversations about what’s going on in the world and social issues and everything. But then we still have to revert to, hey, bath toys, don’t go in the toilet. You know, we’ve got to pick those conversations with what is the most important one to have right now.

Rommil 22:20
stuff in the toilet doesn’t go in your mouth. Okay, that there’s little rules.

Unknown Speaker 22:24
We’ve got that, you know, urgent, important matrix at home. Often the toilet seems pretty important and also urgent.

Rommil 22:37
Oh, gosh, I wish someone has figured it was I wish someone could figure this all out and then send us a manual.

Unknown Speaker 22:43
I would listen to that podcast. How much do you read reviews before you buy something?

Rommil 22:50
Wow. Um, logically, the logical answer is I should be able to I should be doing that more often. But I’m a very I’m, I’m mostly an impulse buyer. And I stopped myself typically like, Oh, yeah, I could use this. Hey, maybe I should do. Okay. I got, I got a lot of crap. It’s like, I bought a tool recently to fix a cupboard door. And I didn’t, I didn’t read the reviews. And the tool is garbage. And now, so not not the best way to be a consumer. But yeah.

Shannon 23:40
What did you do before this field existed? or What did you think you were going to do?

Rommil 23:47
The depends health what age I was. Depending how far back obviously. I originally I wanted to be a carpenter.

Shannon 23:58
But you aren’t even bothering to research a drill.

Rommil 24:02
So yeah.

That didn’t work out. And then I wanted to make movies. So I was really passionate about creating movies and stuff like that for for many years, actually. And then I did some research on starting salaries and oh, no, no, no. My mom taught me to look that up. And it’s like, and how much do things cost? Oh, no, no, no, no, maybe that’s, that could always been my backup plan.

Shannon 24:32
You read the reviews

Rommil 24:35
on careers. So yeah, I wanted to be an engineer. And I was an engineer for a while. And that didn’t work out because I don’t know. It should have worked out if I do all those job profile things. It always tells me I should be an engineer or a lawyer by the way. I don’t know why a lawyer but and I just got bored of it. It wasn’t it’s very creative. It’s a contract. A lot of people think engineering is super creative, you get to build solutions. But at the same time, it wasn’t creative enough. And I had to switch out and I went, after I got out of my engineering phase, I went 180 degrees, and I became a designer, and started a company. So yeah, that’s what I wanted to do. I wanted to make movies and build stuff and ended up here. That’s,

Unknown Speaker 25:25
I don’t think many people though, kind of have a very linear. I don’t

Rommil 25:30
think that’s a thing anymore. Um, I mentor, a bunch of folks. And the the line of questioning is, is always like, what’s my next move? or How can I get up, move up. And I keep telling them, it likes to zigzag and you can’t keep, you know, comparing yourselves to other people’s careers, because I don’t trust LinkedIn.

Unknown Speaker 25:51
Right, I think it’s very hard to pinpoint a career and be like, I’m gonna go there. Like I I wanted to be a writer for a long time and copywriting always interested in you, but I never really went for it. And like, I went to school for theater, and then into PR, and beer marketing, and you just kind of like, weave your way

Shannon 26:12
through.

Unknown Speaker 26:14
I don’t want to say networking, because that sounds like a lot of pressure for people to make a network, but through connections and kind of random happenstance and a lot of

Shannon 26:22
ways. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 26:24
And you kind of hopefully end up in a field that you like and are good at. And then if you want to switch out of it to something new.

Shannon 26:33
Okay, that’s

Rommil 26:35
exactly. And I, when I grew up, I hope to figure it out.

Shannon 26:39
One day,

Rommil 26:40
when it kind of works for now, and it’s like, oh, well, maybe I’ll do something else. And who knows, maybe maybe I won’t stay in experimentation forever. It’s been through line, and all the stuff I’ve done, but never know what tomorrow brings. So then, maybe next week, I’m

Shannon 26:54
a comedian. Fingers crossed.

Rommil 26:57
Or not? likely not because you know,

Shannon 27:00
the the world’s first comedians, lawyer, you’re so good at writing lawyer jokes,

Rommil 27:06
my, my client is guilty. Oh, no. Innocent

Shannon 27:11
JK.

Rommil 27:12
What do you think good, innocent? guilty?

Unknown Speaker 27:15
You should you should get into some experimentation first. What is, in your mind the best method for convincing a business or a person that they need somebody on their team doing this kind of work?

Rommil 27:31
That’s actually interesting. It’s an interesting question. Because it’s different for different companies, that usually you start off by having long conversations, trying to understand what the goals of the company are, and the goals of the individual that you’re talking to. And then you have to create a story. And most of this work, this experimentation, optimization, all this work is a lot about storytelling. And it’s not like a fable, a lie. But you’re trying to make tell a story where the person can understand how experimentation can benefit them. And it usually revolves around, okay, you have to achieve XYZ, well, a, this could help you do XYZ, this will be help you make arguments. Make your case for doing for doing things because you’ll have data behind you. And also help you save resources because you won’t be exploring paths that were wasteful, because you’ll you experimentation will help you pick the right thing to do. That’s typically my approach is no magic bullet, it’s often a just a whole lot of conversation, getting to know the person and, and seeing, and there’s a little bit of like, trying to understand the person specifically, there was someone I used to try to convince to experiment many years ago. And

Shannon 29:01
what did your wife know about that?

Rommil 29:06
Um, she doesn’t listen to this anyway. So I couldn’t I couldn’t get for the life of me this person to run experiments. And I found that he liked to be called the commander of seen sky. I just randomly started calling of that. And I did that day after day. And he just warmed up to me. And then I was able to, to get my suggestions through so yeah, there’s a bit of a tangent. I know your real question was,

Shannon 29:37
but interview is a tangent.

Rommil 29:40
But yeah, I guess I’ll end it there and is different. This is case by case.

Unknown Speaker 29:45
Okay, so that sums up to give people weird nicknames. Hmm. And then, okay, cool. It’s good advice.

Rommil 29:52
I’ll be releasing a book and oh, chapter one chapter chapter one weird names.

Unknown Speaker 30:01
All right, I’ve got our last question. How do you explain to your kids what it is that you do.

Rommil 30:08
So if you have had my career, you get to do this every two, three years. So you get a lot of practice. And at the end of the day, it’s usually you try to explain that you’re trying to make x better. And you just change the x, you know. So when you’re in marketing, you’re trying to help people understand the product better, or convince them they want to buy it better. And now in this job, I tell them, I help people make their things better. Yeah, their product, their whatever it is. So that’s how I do. And I guess that that assumes that my children care what I do. I really don’t know if they’re listening. So

Unknown Speaker 30:59
I mean, I don’t think anybody is, unless you were a carpenter. And you were like, I build things. Well, like, I

Rommil 31:06
went to the doctor recently. I love this question. What do you do for a living? I run experiments on products. Like that’s really pertinent to my medical history. And really, all they’re asking is, is it manual labor? Or a keyboard? No, that’s really what all they’re asking. Right? I should come up with some some weird, weird very.

Unknown Speaker 31:33
How much does your job stress you out? And do we need to run heart tests on you?

Rommil 31:37
Yeah, exactly. You know, like, that’s, that’s a fair question. Instead of trying to hide Yeah, like, they don’t have to explain to them what it is. And they’re like, Oh, yeah. So you had a keyboard all day. Okay, I get it.

Unknown Speaker 31:48
I also have that whenever you’re really filling out forms, and like, my bank has one for some reason. It’s like, oh, what field Do you work in? And my, like, nothing is ever close. And so it’s a business field. I work in a business.

Rommil 32:02
Other Yeah. So even finding the the category for this podcast, whatever, I’m just struggle, because there’s no obvious there’s an experimentation category. So is this business? Is this just leisure is this? It’s not? Is it sports, it could be sports.

Shannon 32:22
We have not talked about sports

once, you’ve got a lot of things.

Rommil 32:29
You literally just mentioned sports, so I could check that box and

go sports

Unknown Speaker 32:35
teams. Sure. Well, that wraps up all of the questions that I had. I feel like I know you so much better. Now. Hopefully, our listener feels the same way and feels emotionally connected and bonded, because that is how you cement listeners for life. Yeah, no matter the subject of this podcast, whether it changes to carpentry or stand up comedians, which, you know, who knows, we might experiment with the content.

Rommil 33:04
I’m hoping I’m actually I expect us to. Yeah, that’s that one subscribers, probably me. But

Shannon 33:12
I have not subscribed yet.

Rommil 33:15
We’re gonna have to by the end of the day, yeah.

Shannon 33:18
That’s a doubling our numbers. So you

Rommil 33:20
see, that’s, that’s good growth. And now now you pour the gasoline on that fire, and

Shannon 33:26
Spotify account so Oh, that’s smart.

Rommil 33:28
I was thinking about you creating a new email and just just subscribing. Oh, don’t

Shannon 33:33
worry. I still have one of my many high school emails.

Rommil 33:37
Shannon at hotmail

Shannon 33:39
Oh, if only it was

Rommil 33:40
not good. Beer girl, beer girl lover. The 1000

Unknown Speaker 33:46
in high school. No, but my This one is no longer active so I can share it. But I used to make up a new email address, like every couple of months for some reason.

Shannon 33:55
at

Rommil 33:56
all, I could see those people that need to just you know, ditch their past, I get it.

Unknown Speaker 34:01
And my MSN homepage, I took inspiration from at one time when they were launching the Ember murse space craft thing. My email address for a while was the Russian giant. It’s totally and I kept that one for a long time. And I would tell people in age what

Rommil 34:26
what you should say when you say with a straight face right? And what your email miss the Russian giant@hotmail.com

Unknown Speaker 34:34
The more you say it like the less weird it became to me. So it was just one of those things but yeah, the Russian giant and yeah, it was anyways, it was a it is no longer in use by me at least Are

Rommil 34:45
you Russian?

Shannon 34:47
I am not.

Rommil 34:49
That’s amazing.

Shannon 34:53
I just saw something about a space, the space race and

Rommil 34:56
you are you’re six feet five

Unknown Speaker 34:59
you our listeners may not know that interesting tidbit I reached so many gels.

Rommil 35:05
The rim of basketball

basketball rooms without without even hopping, you know? Yeah, remember remember that

Shannon 35:13
does not make you list your height of my entire five feet. Robot thanks to yours year old and I are practically sharing shoes now and they can’t see yes,

Rommil 35:23
it’s okay. Double Yeah. I like that I think I think from now on you will be introduced as the giant with the Russian giant Russian giant with like wrestling the wrestling intro. I think it’ll be so epic. I’m gonna work on that. The Russian I gotta work on that.

Unknown Speaker 35:41
Well, that I think wraps it up and my I can hear my baby crying upstairs. I’ve been experimenting with leaving her in the crib during podcasts. So we’ll see if the audio picks that up. But yeah, this was great. I’m glad that you were able to answer some of these questions. And I think a pretty good job of relating some of them back to experimentation, at least 10% I,

Rommil 36:06
maybe a little bit. I had a good time. I look forward to interviewing new experimenters in the new year with you. I think it will be fun. And I always I look forward to the opportunity to introduce a Russian giant to people so it’s gonna be great.

Unknown Speaker 36:24
I better a better see if that one’s if the email address is still available. I’m going to get a lot of fan mail.

Rommil 36:29
Um, I might grab it before you do.

Unknown Speaker 36:32
Yeah. All right. Cool. Well, I look forward to our next episode.

Rommil 36:39
Don’t need to I don’t know who it’s gonna be. But it’s gonna be the best. It’s gonna be the best third episode fourth episode ever. Can’t wait. Awesome. And I think that’s it.

Unknown Speaker 36:51
And then you wrap it up, and I have to go cuz my baby is really crying. Alright. Fill me in later.

Rommil 37:01
Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Yeah. Well, now you know a little bit more about me as well as my new co host, the Russian giant Shannon. Thank you for listening. And if you think we earned it, please consider sharing and subscribing. That’s it for now. Until next time,

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